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Posted: 13:19 Fri 21-11-2003.
Snackspot reports: A slight preference for salty popcorn was expressed in our last debate, with occasional concessions to "sweet in the bottom, salt on the top", plus mild enthusiasm for more exotic flavourings such as the (unavailable in the UK?) salt and vinegar popcorn that was available at "Kernels" over in the Eaton Centre in Toronto. Which kind of leads to this week's hot topic - after enjoying another of those "Is the Atkins diet a load of rubbish?" documentaries this week, how about: If you're after a "healthy" option (for whatever reason), would you try pick a "low fat" or "low carbohydrate" product, if you had the choice?

...Personally, I've got some sympathy for the Atkins fans, as it could be considered a sensible response to all the products misleadingly advertised now as "X% fat free", which often means they've got lots of sugar in (my favourite being Marks and Spencer's in-store ad from a few years ago, which inquired: "Did you know that Whole Milk is naturally 95 per cent Fat Free?") On the other hand, could it be that the Atkins view is illicitly supported by the ailing meat and dairy industry (which seems to be all that the Atkins fanatics ever eat) - and then what do you do if (like me) you secretly want to be a vegetarian as well?


Posted: 16:28 Fri 21-11-2003 by "charl" # permalink comment
Comment: i am a low carb partisan. in the absence of long term studies, it makes me feel better and i've lost a ton of weight (well not literally a ton). the only downside was that i gave up 13 years of vegetarianism after two months of low carbing. you can do it as a veggie but your food options are seriously limited. you're absolutely right about the 'xx% fat free' thing snackspot. technically a food is only 'low fat' if it is <5% fat, so how can 80% fat free be something to boast wildly about on a flapjack wrapper?
Posted: 16:44 Fri 21-11-2003 by Snackspot # permalink comment
Comment: gah, I knew it! thanks for clearing this up charl, if you google for "vegetarian Atkins" all you seem to get is eggs (and the horror that is "tofu dogs"). again, no use to me, as once I've mastered vegetarianism, I plan to move on to more exotic regimes, like being a Vegan, or possibly Vulcan
Posted: 17:08 Fri 21-11-2003 by "Lee Maguire" # permalink comment
Comment: Oh, Snackspot. Lo-carb is so last summer.

Apparently the Harvard "healthy eating" pyramid is the "new" thing.


Posted: 17:34 Fri 21-11-2003 by Snackspot # permalink comment
Comment: I do like the fact that they have an entire section "What about eggs?" devoted to this difficult and complex issue...
Posted: 18:04 Fri 21-11-2003 by "Mike Gray" # permalink comment
Comment: Neither. The only diet you need is: http://www.x-entertainment.com/articles/0744/index.html

Enough to put you off any kind of food for some time.

Posted: 18:49 Fri 21-11-2003 by "Kaptain Korolev" # permalink comment
Comment: The Kaptain eats a plateful of the Karbs at his dinner table. This is dues to the Kaptain's love of bread. The bread makes him smack his lips and think of it's soft fluffy warmth straight from the oven. If he doesn't want the soft he can go with a firm rye bread and enjoy the sensation of biting through it's hardened grains with his teeth. In short the Kaptain could not follow a low Karb diet, to him it is a horrible thing. A low fat diet is easy.

Posted: 18:52 Fri 21-11-2003 by Snackspot # permalink comment
Comment: Yeah good point Kaptain - I don't think I could live without cereals, or toast. (Or does toasting bread cook some of the carbodyhydrates out of it, like boiling and vitamin C?)
Posted: 19:27 Fri 21-11-2003 by "Kaptain Korolev" # permalink comment
Comment: The toasting of the bread merely carbonises it's exterior making it better as a platform for condiments and jam-sauce. The Kaptain loves a bit of toasted Rye, Rye is indeed a hardy bread, but with toasting it becomes a mighty platform and an eating challenge. Sharpen those teeth with the chisels and bite down hard. The reward of such an action fill the Kaptain with the happy feelings.
Posted: 19:46 Fri 21-11-2003 by Snackspot # permalink comment
Comment: Isn't there a caramelising reaction that helps turn the surface of the toast into sugar somehow?
Posted: 20:04 Fri 21-11-2003 by "Lee Maguire" # permalink comment
Comment: Why not ask Dr. Toast?


Posted: 22:08 Fri 21-11-2003 by "charl" # permalink comment
Comment: karbon konsumption (as the kaptan would have it) is bad for you. nay to toast!
Posted: 22:19 Fri 21-11-2003 by Snackspot # permalink comment
Comment: even if it's "friendly" carbon, like charcoal?
Posted: 22:35 Fri 21-11-2003 by "Kaptain Korolev" # permalink comment
Comment: The Kaptain has also heard the effects of eating the burnt foods to be unwholesome for the body. The Kaptain remembers that this carcinogenic effect is a by-product of the food surface combusting and therefore doesn't effect the friendliness of the charcoals. This is good as the charcoals make an excellent sponge to absorb poisons that may have been fed to the Kaptain.
Posted: 22:37 Fri 21-11-2003 by Snackspot # permalink comment
Comment: If it's not an impertinent question, what are you Kaptain of? Or is it an honorary title, like in Dead Poets Society (or "Captain" "Birdseye")?
Posted: 14:42 Sat 22-11-2003 by "Alex" # permalink comment
Comment: I need to put weight on, not take it off! But if I had to choose, I'd have low fat.

A little off topic, but Snackspot, have you ever thought of a Snackspot forum? Any off topic comments could go there, as could unconfirmed sightings

Posted: 14:59 Sat 22-11-2003 by Snackspot # permalink comment
Comment: but then how will "bob" be able to post his sightings to all the wrong threads? ;)

seriously, i've been looking at stuff like http://www.free-tagboard.com/#sample

for exactly the reasons you suggest - does anyone have any experience of these (and indeed is this what you had in mind)?

Posted: 15:07 Sat 22-11-2003 by Snackspot # permalink comment
Comment: also, none of them seem to work in Netscape 4 (and where would i put it on the page?)
Posted: 15:22 Sat 22-11-2003 by "Kaptain Korolev" # permalink comment
Comment: The Kaptain's title is one of honorary stature given to him for his fine knowledge of things such as electronics, the Russian Space programme and experience in the preparation and eating of specialist breads and fruits.
Posted: 16:15 Sat 22-11-2003 by "Alex" # permalink comment
Comment: I once made a Championship Manager boards on proboards.com. Its free and easy to use.

You could have a link at the top of the page somewhere to show everyone. I have some ideas for boards which could be used

Posted: 14:20 Sun 23-11-2003 by "Alex" # permalink comment
Comment: If you like, I could make one as a sample
Posted: 23:05 Sun 23-11-2003 by Snackspot # permalink comment
Comment: Ah, I see what you mean - I'm slightly less keen to have a separate discussion area to these "Comments" sections largely because they're trickier to keep track of (or are there too many restrictions on what you can already post here?)

Anyway, have you got any URLs where we could see proboards in action? I suppose I could alternatively create a new quicktopic.com discussion for each new story (like boingboing.net used to do) if you'd like all those fancy user-registration facilities too...

Posted: 06:03 Mon 24-11-2003 by "Adrian" # permalink comment
Comment: 1) Neither low-carb nor low-fat, but everything in moderation. It's all good. 2) Please nothing else that we have to register for.
Posted: 10:52 Mon 24-11-2003 by "Nebbish" # permalink comment
Comment: By adding the apparently now healthy high-fat foodstuffs of the Atkins diet to plates of used-to-be-healthy (and I think still-healthy) carbohydrates, I am in the unusual position of eating good food, putting on shitloads of weight, and feeling good and healthy about it at the same time.

Oh - and the only way to diet is to eat less and exercise more. I suppose the reason people don't go on about that is because those 5 words won't fill a book.

Posted: 12:15 Mon 24-11-2003 by "charl" # permalink comment
Comment: absolutely true nebbish, but the reason atkins works with ease (as opposed to weightwatchers for example (which in my opinion requires willpower of steel)) is that the lower carb diet induces a sensation of satiety that is not found in other diets, which means that it is so much easier to eat less. ingenious. and whatever you do snackspot, feel free to disable the 'smileys'...
Posted: 22:19 Mon 24-11-2003 by Snackspot # permalink comment
Comment: Consider them disabled, charl! Plus, as a kind of minimal token gesture towards Alex's suggestion, I've made it so the first few words of the most recent comment now appear up at the top left, should anyone care...
Posted: 22:21 Mon 24-11-2003 by "JT" # permalink comment
Comment: i think that comment thing is great to show us if theres a new comment!!!!! 5*s
Posted: 22:29 Mon 24-11-2003 by "charl" # permalink comment
Comment: i want to be in the corner! okay i'll stop now...
Posted: 22:40 Mon 24-11-2003 by Snackspot # permalink comment
Comment: ha, that's nothing - now you can paste in short URLs (like ones to previous comments http://www.snackspot.org.uk/thread.php?story=0311211319fah#20031124222900 )

but it doesn't show the full thing if it's a really long one, like a fancy news story or something: http://www.newproductworks.com/ [had to go back and truncate this myself]

Posted: 22:45 Mon 24-11-2003 by Snackspot # permalink comment
Comment: let's just try that again: http://[URL display truncated]
Posted: 16:01 Tue 25-11-2003 by "Alex" # permalink comment
Comment: haha, nice idea.

Unfortunately, I don't know any proboard sites besides my own, which I'm too embarrased to display here.

The reason I though a forum instead of a IM chat thingy, is that topics could stick, so people who weren't on when posted could see it. For instance, I've got one in my head- Short lived sweet spinoffs from big brands. Like, Jelly and Ice Cream Fruit Pastilles or Tropical Joosters

Posted: 16:16 Tue 25-11-2003 by Snackspot # permalink comment
Comment: but all the Snackspot topics do stick around, Alex - it just takes someone to post to one of them and it appears on the recent list again!

seriously, the "more topics" possibilities on normal discussion boards are also what kind of puts me off them (eg nothing to stop the creation of several different threads all discussing Pepsi Blue ;)

and if something deserves discussion on Snackspot then let me know and i will post it because i am so skill...

Posted: 16:22 Tue 25-11-2003 by Snackspot # permalink comment
Comment: actually i might make it so it shows the start of all the last 10 comments, though that'll require an extra database field or something
Posted: 17:36 Tue 25-11-2003 by "Alex" # permalink comment
Comment: yeah, fair point.

I just thought it would be a good idea, as then people would actually stick to the new sightings, and it would reduce spam.

Perhaps there could be a weekly question in the weeks between the Face-Offs?

Like the one I mentioned earlier!

And the last 10 comments is a good idea

Posted: 17:00 Fri 28-11-2003 by "Nebbish" # permalink comment
Comment: Well, the Atkins diet has clearly bored everyone. May I suggest Tesco vs Sainsburys vs Safeways as a future topic? If you haven't already done it, that is.
Posted: 19:20 Fri 28-11-2003 by Snackspot # permalink comment
Comment: We did Sainsbury vs Tesco: http://www.snackspot.org.uk/thread.php?story=0309261740fah - but maybe Asda vs Safeway when the Morrison's deal goes through?
Posted: 18:52 Mon 01-12-2003 by "Alex" # permalink comment
Comment: Sorry to bring this up again, but I thought of a few possible topics which wouldn't decrease postings here: Favourite crisps, sweets etc. What old products would you like back? Short lived sub brands( Tropical joosters) An unconfirmed sightings topic. What foreign food should be released here?

I'm a man of ideas

Posted: 22:08 Mon 01-12-2003 by "bob" # permalink comment
Comment: i would like starburst re-named to opelfruits and have the square shaped tunes been discontiuned or what
Posted: 22:14 Mon 01-12-2003 by "bob" # permalink comment
Comment: did you ever have a confurmed siteing of the english coke cola - the one months ago said spotted in the usa and the picture was americain too, i would like too see an english siting for vanilla coke>
Posted: 15:46 Tue 02-12-2003 by "Alex" # permalink comment
Comment: The english coke cola eh? Do you mean Vanilla Coke?

because that was the English and American sighting

Posted: 00:03 Thu 04-12-2003 by Snackspot # permalink comment
Comment: Well, technically it was a UK sighting of a Canadian import, but we're not going to get into taste differences between North American and European versions of Vanilla Coke, are we? http://www.snackspot.org.uk/thread.php?story=0302271535daa

- though actually, now you mention it, I bet the US one is made with corn syrup for a start...

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