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Click pic to view comments - Semi-international sighting: Roses Kola Tonic Semi-international sighting: Roses Kola Tonic
Posted: 18:30 Fri 20-May-2005. Price: 3.80/ 750ml. Location: South African snack import stall, covered market, Swindon. Nutritional unusualness: None noted.
"Stuart Campbell" reports: This snackspotter has often wondered, occasionally aloud, why you can't buy a cola-flavoured still drink. After all, cola is a hugely popular flavour, not just in carbonated beverages but also in non-sparkling sweets, so it's clearly not fizziness-dependent. While we wait for The Coca-Cola Company to stop dicking around trying to disguise the taste of their foul diet versions with squirts of fruit and invent Still Coke, though, there's always this, from the makers of the well-known lime juice. Lucky Afrikaaners get to enjoy a seriously nice cola taste, with just the tiniest hint of a spicy bite, in grown-up dilutable form (one part to six parts water, so this alarmingly-priced imported bottle of cordial does at least make five-and-a-bit litres, working out to 72p per litre of actual drink), and frankly your correspondent's off back to Swindon for several more bottles just as soon as he's finished typing.

..."Drinks week" comes to some sort of conclusion with this South African delicacy (which could surely also be added to carbonated water to make "real" Cola, like in a Soda Stream?) - though those seeking more of "Stuart Campbell" should tune in to tomorrow's Ever Wondered About Food (11.30am, Sat, BBC2), in which I believe he appears (after responding to a previous Snackspot appeal for someone to take part in "a celebratory programme about great moments in the history of the potato").

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Posted: 12:05 Sat 21-May-2005 by "Stuart Campbell" # permalink comment
Comment: Blimey. Six hours they spent filming for eight fairly pointless seconds onscreen. Must have just fancied a day trip to Bath on expenses. Still, I got a load of free crisps out of it, so hey ho.
Posted: 09:41 Tue 14-Jun-2005 by "Sean"
(apparently posting from 66.171.175.62: 62.175.171.66.subscriber.vzavenue.net) # permalink comment
Comment: Bought a bottle ($7.75) of this here in Redmond (WA, US) and I love adding a bit to shot of Cachaca. Wonderful. 94613 6
Posted: 23:01 Thu 19-Jun-2008 by "Pieter de Waal, pieterddw (at!) gmail.com" # permalink comment
Comment: Please note that this Kola Tonic contains, in big enough amounts, enough caffeine to fatally poison people. The producers should put a proper note on the label to warn innocent drinkers about the caffeine content. Pieter de Waal. 19 June 2008 pieterddw (at!) gmail.com
Posted: 23:46 Thu 19-Jun-2008 by "Pieter de Waal"
(apparently posting from 41.208.48.1: ) # permalink comment
Comment: Please note that this Kola Tonic contains deadly amounts of caffeine. Drinkers should be warned by means of a proper note on the label that shows the caffeine content in mg per volume. Pieter de Waal, pieterddw (at!) gmail.com Please note that this Kola Tonic contains deadly amounts of caffeine. Drinkers should be warned by means of a proper note on the label that shows the caffeine content in mg per volume. Pieter de Waal, pieterddw (at!) gmail.com Please note that this Kola Tonic contains deadly amounts of caffeine. Drinkers should be warned by means of a proper note on the label that shows the caffeine content in mg per volume. Pieter de Waal, pieterddw (at!) gmail.com

[gratuitous duplication deleted]

Please note that this Kola Tonic contaiTOTOTOO LONG!


Posted: 12:31 Sat 21-Jun-2008 by "nick T" # permalink comment
Comment: Hey, has anybody pointed out this drink's high levels of caffeine?
Posted: 02:00 Sun 22-Jun-2008 by "Pieter de Waal" # permalink comment
Comment: ROSE'S KOLA TONIC. A friend of mine damaged his liver by alcohol abuse and was forced to become a teetotaller. He however started to drink RKT with lemonade not knowing about the caffeine content. I am of the opinion that RKT contributed to his early death. We could have prevented it in warning him about the dangerous levels of caffeine in RKT. I nearly fell in the same trap. Due to Hepatitis B, I drank grape juice and then RKT in large amounts. Fortunately a relative warned me in time to stop using it. The point is that the caffeine content per volume in RKT should be clearly stated on the label and not in hidden fine script and then in so much per dilution. The alcohol in brandy is not given in so much per double brandy and coke. Woolworths (a respectable shop concerned about proper labelling regarding content) tried to shut me up and gave me a cold shoulder. Tiger Brands, the suppliers, also played hide and seek until recently. I have managed to force them to admit that their practice is somewhat illegal. They say now that they will give attention in time. Any comment/reaction? Pieter de Waal
Posted: 06:01 Mon 23-Jun-2008 by "Pieter de Waal" # permalink comment
Comment: Caffeine intoxication

An acute overdose of caffeine, usually in excess of about 300 milligrams, dependent on body weight and level of caffeine tolerance, can result in a state of central nervous system over-stimulation called caffeine intoxication,[75] colloquially "caffeine jitters". The symptoms of caffeine intoxication are not unlike overdoses of other stimulants. It may include restlessness, nervousness, excitement, insomnia, flushing of the face, increased urination, gastrointestinal disturbance, muscle twitching, a rambling flow of thought and speech, irritability, irregular or rapid heart beat, and psychomotor agitation.[73] In cases of much larger overdoses mania, depression, lapses in judgment, disorientation, loss of social inhibition, delusions, hallucinations, psychosis, rhabdomyolysis, and death may occur.[76][77]

In cases of extreme overdose, death can result. The median lethal dose (LD50) given orally, is 192 milligrams per kilogram in rats.[1] The LD50 of caffeine in humans is dependent on weight and individual sensitivity and estimated to be about 150 to 200 milligrams per kilogram of body mass, roughly 80 to 100 cups of coffee for an average adult taken within a limited time frame that is dependent on half-life. Though achieving lethal dose with caffeine would be exceptionally difficult with regular coffee, there have been reported deaths from overdosing on caffeine pills, with serious symptoms of overdose requiring hospitalization occurring from as little as 2 grams of caffeine.[78][79][80][81] Death typically occurs due to ventricular fibrillation brought about by effects of caffeine on the cardiovascular system.

Treatment of severe caffeine intoxication is generally supportive, providing treatment of the immediate symptoms, but if the patient has very high serum levels of caffeine then peritoneal dialysis, hemodialysis, or hemofiltration may be required.

Extract from Wikipedia


Posted: 13:02 Mon 23-Jun-2008 by Snackspot # permalink comment
Comment: you know, I'm all for more accurate labelling but - according to your own argument - "80 to 100 cups of coffee" also contain "enough caffeine to fatally poison people", and WHERE ARE THE LABELS ON THEM, EH?

plus: this is a "Kola" drink - does it really contain more caffeine than these other colas (as examined by Journal of Food Science)?

http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/ [URL display truncated]

Coca-Cola (33.9 mg/12 oz), Diet Coke (46.3 mg/12 oz), Pepsi (38.9 mg/12 oz), Diet Pepsi (36.7 mg/12 oz), Dr Pepper (42.6 mg/12 oz), Diet Dr Pepper (44.1 mg/12 oz), Mountain Dew (54.8 mg/12 oz), and Diet Mountain Dew (55.2 mg/12 oz). The Wal-Mart store-brand beverages with their caffeine contents were Sam's Cola (12.7 mg/12 oz), Sam's Diet Cola (13.3 mg/12 oz), Dr Thunder (30.6 mg/12 oz), Diet Dr Thunder (29.9 mg/12 oz), and Mountain Lightning (46.5 mg/12 oz).


Posted: 22:20 Mon 23-Jun-2008 by "Chubworth" # permalink comment
Comment: Old Pieter seems really rather keen to convey this, eh? He's either one of those far-seeing crusaders or someone who needs to get out more. And then there's me spending my time making comments about crisps and pop criticising others needing to get out more...
Posted: 20:40 Wed 25-Jun-2008 by "nick T" # permalink comment
Comment: Sorry Chubworth old bean, I'm not with you. Pieter who?
Posted: 21:20 Wed 25-Jun-2008 by "Chubworth" # permalink comment
Comment: Old Pieter - the author of a few entries on this very topic. Rather excitable and not all that keen on the Roses Kola tonic
Posted: 21:39 Wed 25-Jun-2008 by "nick T" # permalink comment
Comment: Oh, HIM. Something about caffeine?
Posted: 01:56 Sun 29-Jun-2008 by "Pieter de Waal" # permalink comment
Comment: TIGER BRANDS SOUTH AFRICA: LETTER TO ME

Good Day Mr. De Waal;

Please be advised that further to the below; we can confirm the caffeine contents as below.

The caffeine content of Roses Kola Tonic is stated on the label as 150mg/l in the diluted product, which is equal to 1050mg/l in the concentrated syrup or 787.5mg/750ml in the 750ml bottle.

I trust the above is in order; and would also like to express our sincere gratitude for the patience you have exercised while awaiting the response.

Kind regards

Desmond Govender.


Posted: 08:06 Sun 29-Jun-2008 by Snackspot # permalink comment
Comment: cool, and just to compare with the 12oz (ie 355ml) cans mentioned above: 150mg x 355/1000 = about 53mg/12 oz in the diluted product, ie a bit stronger than Coke, but less than Mountain Dew?

(obviously there's an argument that your own caffeine cravings may cause you to create diluted mixes that are stronger than this, but that's also the case with - for instance - Soda Stream cola concentrates, or even our old friend home-brewed coffee?)


Posted: 19:14 Mon 30-Jun-2008 by "Chubworth" # permalink comment
Comment: Now that Desmond Govender writes a very nice letter, doesn't he? What a pleasant man. What does this all mean, by the way? Lost the will to live some way back
Posted: 21:05 Mon 30-Jun-2008 by Snackspot # permalink comment
Comment: you sound a bit down, "Chubworth" - maybe some Roses Kola Tonic (but not too much!) would perk you up?
Posted: 19:55 Tue 01-Jul-2008 by "nick T" # permalink comment
Comment: Dear Mssrs Snackspot and Chubworth. This is a serious matter. Irrespective of Old Pieter's benighted friend who was "forced" to become a teetotaller, I too have been adversely affected by food additives, namely the hidden levels of lard in various favourite choccies, pizzas, fish suppers and cakes. I have researched various papers, the BMJ, telephoned Esther Rantzen and even contacted the charming Mr Govender who replied: "go away, I have deal with enough nutters already".

Levels of lard are increasing, together with its corresponding increase in the numbers of elasticated waistbands in my wardrobe and a faint whiff of body odour. My wife has left me, the children ignore me and the dog won't speak. So this very website's championing of lardy treats just takes the biscuit. Preferably a custard cream, if there aren't any mint Viscounts. I would appreciate your guidance. I have consulted my GP who recommended that every time I want a snack, I should have a caffeinated drink instead. Perhaps you could recommend a suitable tonic?


Posted: 20:43 Sun 06-Jul-2008 by "Pieter de Waal" # permalink comment
Comment: Below is a letter from SPAR South Africa. Their Kola Tonic is caffeine free. The taste differ somewhat from RKT, but one acquires a taste for it quickly. It is worthwhile to try it.

Dear Pieter de Waal

We have got our house in order and have confirmed that SPAR Kola Tonic has never contained caffeine. It is therefore not required by legislation to state Caffeine free. We welcome any contact by the Consumer Council and look forward to hearing the results of your report.

Thank you for being a SPAR supporter!!

Regards,

Janeen Burton-Pye

SPAR CUSTOMER CARE CONTROLLER

Tel. Direct: 031 719 1892


Posted: 15:13 Wed 20-Aug-2008 by "Pieter de Waal" # permalink comment
Comment: Roses Kola Tonic - Feedback

Good Day Mr. De Waal;

Please accept my humble apologies for the delayed response; as I am still experiencing problems sending mail to the below mentioned e-mail address that you requested I use.

I have received delivery failure notifications; therefore I am using this address and copying the address which we have had success with in the past.

Concerning your enquiry below; we can confirm that the relabeling of the product in question; this being the Roses Kola Tonic; will commence during the month of May 2009.

Kind Regards

Desmond


Posted: 15:36 Sun 31-Aug-2008 by "coreSA" # permalink comment
Comment: I have been drinking this with other Cola drinks for the past 15 years I drink nothing else. I am fit, strong, healthy and in good shape at least according to my GP!

I wonder if those above had a cigarette hanging out their mouths whilst complaining about caffeine? :)

For the record in SA, Roses Cola tonic mixed with Sprite or Lemonade is a sure winner, enjoy.


Posted: 15:43 Sun 31-Aug-2008 by "coreSA" # permalink comment
Comment: I have been drinking this with other Cola drinks for the past 15 years I drink nothing else. I am fit, strong, healthy and in good shape at least according to my GP!

I wonder if those above had a cigarette hanging out their mouths whilst complaining about caffeine? :)

For the record in SA, Roses Cola tonic mixed with Sprite or Lemonade is a sure winner, enjoy.


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